20111031T003452: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving. 20111031T133908: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20111031T144526: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20111031T145234: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20111031T163757: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20111031T165045: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden, just an idea: should we install hooks in imglib to prevent non-fast-forwards on 'master'? 20111031T165045: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden, just an idea: should we install hooks in imglib to prevent non-fast-forwards on 'master'? 20111031T165120: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I'd like to make such a hook for fiji.git (and maybe use it in ImageJA.git and other projects, too). 20111031T165120: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: I'd like to make such a hook for fiji.git (and maybe use it in ImageJA.git and other projects, too). 20111031T165540: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: Seems like no one ever wants non-fast-forwards going to master, right? AFAIK everyone pretty much prevents it. So sounds reasonable to me. 20111031T165542: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: Seems like no one ever wants non-fast-forwards going to master, right? AFAIK everyone pretty much prevents it. So sounds reasonable to me. 20111031T165624: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Well, preventing all branches from non-fast-forwards is a bit too much, for my liking. 20111031T165624: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Well, preventing all branches from non-fast-forwards is a bit too much, for my liking. 20111031T165628: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Let's not go overboard though. E.g., the OME team disallows non-fast-forwards to any branch, and disallows delete of any branch. 20111031T165628: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Let's not go overboard though. E.g., the OME team disallows non-fast-forwards to any branch, and disallows delete of any branch. 20111031T165633: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I agree. 20111031T165633: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I agree. 20111031T165635: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Of course, I am guilty of introducing that feature to Git... 20111031T165635: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Of course, I am guilty of introducing that feature to Git... 20111031T165638: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Haha. 20111031T165638: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Haha. 20111031T165703: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :If you hadn't invented nuclear weapons, someone else would have, right? 20111031T165703: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: If you hadn't invented nuclear weapons, someone else would have, right? 20111031T165829: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :BTW ctrueden, I just found a perfect example where an otherwise brilliant scientist makes a complete mess by top-posting. His mail begins thusly: "Quite so." followed by a reference to a paper, and then quoting _all of the original email_ (including stuff that cannot be addressed with the sentence "Quite so."). 20111031T165829: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: BTW ctrueden, I just found a perfect example where an otherwise brilliant scientist makes a complete mess by top-posting. His mail begins thusly: "Quite so." followed by a reference to a paper, and then quoting _all of the original email_ (including stuff that cannot be addressed with the sentence "Quite so."). 20111031T165853: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Heh. 20111031T165853: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Heh. 20111031T165858: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :It costs _everybody_ who reads even the first two words at least a couple of seconds to scratch their head. 20111031T165858: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: It costs _everybody_ who reads even the first two words at least a couple of seconds to scratch their head. 20111031T170030: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Overall time balance: that guy saved maybe 2 minutes by top-posting. By confusing >2000 mailing list readers, he cost those who are not interested a guesstimated average of 10 seconds. Which amounts to more than 20,000 seconds, which in turn is more than 5 hours. 20111031T170030: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Overall time balance: that guy saved maybe 2 minutes by top-posting. By confusing >2000 mailing list readers, he cost those who are not interested a guesstimated average of 10 seconds. Which amounts to more than 20,000 seconds, which in turn is more than 5 hours. 20111031T171141: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I agree that that guy should not have top posted. However, I would point out that not all time is necessarily equal. Depends on the person and the context. So direct comparison of total quantity of time is not sufficient to argue whether something is rude and/or a bad idea. 20111031T171142: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I agree that that guy should not have top posted. However, I would point out that not all time is necessarily equal. Depends on the person and the context. So direct comparison of total quantity of time is not sufficient to argue whether something is rude and/or a bad idea. 20111031T171215: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :There was one over the weekend that really annoyed me too, but I already forgot what it was about. The worst is, as you say, when the context is buried in the original halfway through. 20111031T171215: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: There was one over the weekend that really annoyed me too, but I already forgot what it was about. The worst is, as you say, when the context is buried in the original halfway through. 20111031T171418: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving. 20111031T171450: *: <== :aivar!~aivar@dyn-144-92-48-238.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20111031T171541: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden, democratically speaking, as well as in the line of Occam's razor, all time should be considered equally valuable. 20111031T171541: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden, democratically speaking, as well as in the line of Occam's razor, all time should be considered equally valuable. 20111031T171606: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :If anybody places the value of their time above others', it does not say anything about that person's time, but only about that person's character. 20111031T171606: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: If anybody places the value of their time above others', it does not say anything about that person's time, but only about that person's character. 20111031T171933: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :That would lead us to an enjoyable but long-winded discussion, best done in a pub somewhere right? ;-) 20111031T171933: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: That would lead us to an enjoyable but long-winded discussion, best done in a pub somewhere right? ;-) 20111031T171943: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden, okay. Now? Where? 20111031T171943: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden, okay. Now? Where? 20111031T171946: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Haha. 20111031T171946: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Haha. 20111031T171956: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Not now, sadly. :-( 20111031T171956: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Not now, sadly. :-( 20111031T172020: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :We could postpone work to afterwards. 20111031T172020: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: We could postpone work to afterwards. 20111031T172142: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Regarding the POMs: as long as we are changing the project names again, shall we change the groupId to "net.imagej"? Then it will match the domain, and Maven requirements for inclusion in Maven central. 20111031T172142: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Regarding the POMs: as long as we are changing the project names again, shall we change the groupId to "net.imagej"? Then it will match the domain, and Maven requirements for inclusion in Maven central. 20111031T172155: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ImgLib2 already does this ("net.imglib2"). 20111031T172155: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: ImgLib2 already does this ("net.imglib2"). 20111031T172201: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Sure, I think that makes absolute sense. 20111031T172201: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Sure, I think that makes absolute sense. 20111031T172207: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :OK, will do now. 20111031T172207: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: OK, will do now. 20111031T172453: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20111031T172907: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden, BTW: regarding MiniMaven, I had to implement better -SNAPSHOT handling on the weekend. 20111031T172907: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden, BTW: regarding MiniMaven, I had to implement better -SNAPSHOT handling on the weekend. 20111031T172958: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I'm still unsure whether I do it properly; I download maven-metadata.xml to maven-metdata-snapshot.xml (so as not to interfer with Maven's own files, because Maven writes more information into them, such as tags). 20111031T172958: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: I'm still unsure whether I do it properly; I download maven-metadata.xml to maven-metdata-snapshot.xml (so as not to interfer with Maven's own files, because Maven writes more information into them, such as tags). 20111031T173833: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: I was looking at ImageJA.git's pom.xml, to update the groupId to net.imagej. I noticed that the version is now blank—related to the Jenkins mistake, eh? 20111031T173833: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: I was looking at ImageJA.git's pom.xml, to update the groupId to net.imagej. I noticed that the version is now blank—related to the Jenkins mistake, eh? 20111031T173850: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Yep, forgot to update that one. 20111031T173850: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Yep, forgot to update that one. 20111031T173852: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Sorry! 20111031T173852: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Sorry! 20111031T173902: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :No worries. 20111031T173902: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: No worries. 20111031T173905: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :And actually, it was not a Jenkins mistake. 20111031T173905: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: And actually, it was not a Jenkins mistake. 20111031T173923: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :It was a mistake to assume that the locale would not have a dramatic influence on how w3m renders enumerations... 20111031T173923: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: It was a mistake to assume that the locale would not have a dramatic influence on how w3m renders enumerations... 20111031T174038: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Shall I push the groupId change to net.imagej? Or wait? 20111031T174038: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Shall I push the groupId change to net.imagej? Or wait? 20111031T175038: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Go ahead, push (when you're back)... 20111031T175038: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Go ahead, push (when you're back)... 20111031T175228: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Pushed. 20111031T175228: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Pushed. 20111031T175503: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Yay, I am happy that "[1.45p,)" works as it should in Eclipse. 20111031T175503: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Yay, I am happy that "[1.45p,)" works as it should in Eclipse. 20111031T175512: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Nice! 20111031T175512: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Nice! 20111031T175521: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Now I have to patch MiniMaven to handle it, too ;-) 20111031T175521: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Now I have to patch MiniMaven to handle it, too ;-) 20111031T175614: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden, did you want to change the version, too? 20111031T175614: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden, did you want to change the version, too? 20111031T175623: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :If not, I'll do it right away... 20111031T175623: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: If not, I'll do it right away... 20111031T175901: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: I will change it now. 20111031T175901: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: I will change it now. 20111031T175909: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Already did it... 20111031T175909: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Already did it... 20111031T175926: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Oops, OK. 20111031T175926: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Oops, OK. 20111031T175947: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Weird… I don't see your commit. 20111031T175947: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Weird… I don't see your commit. 20111031T175954: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I already pushed mine… hope that didn't screw anything up. 20111031T175954: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I already pushed mine… hope that didn't screw anything up. 20111031T180007: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Okay, will reconcile. 20111031T180007: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Okay, will reconcile. 20111031T180017: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I was still using repo.or.cz. 20111031T180017: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I was still using repo.or.cz. 20111031T180030: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :What are you using for origin now? 20111031T180030: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: What are you using for origin now? 20111031T180049: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Too many chaynjis recently! 20111031T180049: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Too many chaynjis recently! 20111031T180157: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Origin is now dev.imagejdev.org:imageja.git, but only Jenkins can push there currently. 20111031T180157: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Origin is now dev.imagejdev.org:imageja.git, but only Jenkins can push there currently. 20111031T180226: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I simulated Jenkins and pushed to all repositories (ImageJDev, repo.or.cz, github, fiji.sc and sourceforge.net) 20111031T180226: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: I simulated Jenkins and pushed to all repositories (ImageJDev, repo.or.cz, github, fiji.sc and sourceforge.net) 20111031T180232: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Wow... 20111031T180232: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Wow... 20111031T180444: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Which origin should I use in the future for pushes, do you think? 20111031T180444: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Which origin should I use in the future for pushes, do you think? 20111031T180508: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I could always do it the GitHub way and fork it, then send you a pull request! *duck* 20111031T180508: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I could always do it the GitHub way and fork it, then send you a pull request! *duck* 20111031T180516: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Heh. 20111031T180516: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Heh. 20111031T180535: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I _hope_ that the job is running correctly in the future until we no longer need it. 20111031T180535: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: I _hope_ that the job is running correctly in the future until we no longer need it. 20111031T180600: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Then you don't need to do anything. 20111031T180600: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Then you don't need to do anything. 20111031T180610: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Hopefully. 20111031T180610: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Hopefully. 20111031T180657: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :However, for now I left the origin to repo.or.cz and Jenkins will pick up changes when you pull (but beware, it always runs on an unnamed branch, which Git Speak calls 'detached HEAD'). 20111031T180657: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: However, for now I left the origin to repo.or.cz and Jenkins will pick up changes when you pull (but beware, it always runs on an unnamed branch, which Git Speak calls 'detached HEAD'). 20111031T180900: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Yeah, I noticed Jenkins tries to be very clever about it. 20111031T180900: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Yeah, I noticed Jenkins tries to be very clever about it. 20111031T180915: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :But it always tags its builds locally, which is nice. 20111031T180915: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: But it always tags its builds locally, which is nice. 20111031T180954: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Yep. Except if you want to "git push --tags --all" ;-) 20111031T180954: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Yep. Except if you want to "git push --tags --all" ;-) 20111031T181121: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :True. 20111031T181121: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: True. 20111031T181241: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I looked adding build instructions to README.txt, but the README is really aimed at end users. It's what pops up when you first run ImageJ2. So, shall we instead have a file like DEVELOP.txt or SOURCE.txt? Thoughts on best filename to use? 20111031T181242: *: ==> PRIVMSG #imagejdev :README.txt in Gitweb: http://tinyurl.com/6zrnxsp 20111031T181242: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I looked adding build instructions to README.txt, but the README is really aimed at end users. It's what pops up when you first run ImageJ2. So, shall we instead have a file like DEVELOP.txt or SOURCE.txt? Thoughts on best filename to use? 20111031T181315: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Heh, looks like there is a race condition on tinyurl. That URL didn't work for a second. 20111031T181315: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Heh, looks like there is a race condition on tinyurl. That URL didn't work for a second. 20111031T181532: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Right. INSTALL.txt is probably what I'd look for. 20111031T181532: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Right. INSTALL.txt is probably what I'd look for. 20111031T181538: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :And yes, there are possible races ;-) 20111031T181538: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: And yes, there are possible races ;-) 20111031T181851: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :INSTALL.txt, for building from source? 20111031T181851: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: INSTALL.txt, for building from source? 20111031T182305: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I'm too focused on work. I had two radio stations playing at the same time and didn't notice for who knows how long. 20111031T182305: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: I'm too focused on work. I had two radio stations playing at the same time and didn't notice for who knows how long. 20111031T182358: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :*laugh* 20111031T182358: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: *laugh* 20111031T182402: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Sometimes things sort of blend. 20111031T182402: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Sometimes things sort of blend. 20111031T182411: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Hehe. 20111031T182411: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Hehe. 20111031T182414: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :A stub INSTALL.txt was committed. 20111031T182414: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: A stub INSTALL.txt was committed. 20111031T182418: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I cannot work with music on at all. 20111031T182418: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: I cannot work with music on at all. 20111031T182420: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Thanks! 20111031T182420: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Thanks! 20111031T182433: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I sometimes get distracted by a *lack* of music (i.e., "too quiet"). 20111031T182433: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I sometimes get distracted by a *lack* of music (i.e., "too quiet"). 20111031T182439: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :But the wrong music is worse. 20111031T182439: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: But the wrong music is worse. 20111031T182743: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden, should I make a Jenkins job that automatically builds and deploys IJ1 after the Synch-job succeeded to commit and push a new version? 20111031T182743: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden, should I make a Jenkins job that automatically builds and deploys IJ1 after the Synch-job succeeded to commit and push a new version? 20111031T183034: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Yes, or the sync job itself could do it. Either way. 20111031T183034: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Yes, or the sync job itself could do it. Either way. 20111031T183044: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :However, the recent failure is due to the groupId rename. 20111031T183044: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: However, the recent failure is due to the groupId rename. 20111031T183049: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I'd like to keep them separated. 20111031T183049: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: I'd like to keep them separated. 20111031T183055: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I manually deployed ij-1.45s.jar just now. 20111031T183055: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I manually deployed ij-1.45s.jar just now. 20111031T183057: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Sounds good. 20111031T183057: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Sounds good. 20111031T183058: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Okay. 20111031T183058: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Okay. 20111031T183108: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Hopefully Jenkins will succeed this time. 20111031T183108: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Hopefully Jenkins will succeed this time. 20111031T183119: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I am almost done screwing around with the project layouts. 20111031T183119: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I am almost done screwing around with the project layouts. 20111031T183125: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Possibly done actually, just reviewing. 20111031T183125: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Possibly done actually, just reviewing. 20111031T183407: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Hehe. 20111031T183407: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Hehe. 20111031T183412: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :It'll settle, eventually. 20111031T183412: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: It'll settle, eventually. 20111031T183418: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :And better do it now than next year... 20111031T183418: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: And better do it now than next year... 20111031T183809: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Yeah, I should have done it as net.imagej from the beginning. Oh well. Done now. I have updated various downstream stuff, including ImgLib and (in a moment) Bio-Formats. 20111031T183809: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Yeah, I should have done it as net.imagej from the beginning. Oh well. Done now. I have updated various downstream stuff, including ImgLib and (in a moment) Bio-Formats. 20111031T183820: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Good! 20111031T183820: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Good! 20111031T183823: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :And I'm using "[1.45p,)" everywhere now too. 20111031T183823: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: And I'm using "[1.45p,)" everywhere now too. 20111031T184119: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Ugh, backward compatibility problems in Bio-Formats with updating the version. 20111031T184119: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Ugh, backward compatibility problems in Bio-Formats with updating the version. 20111031T184126: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :[ERROR] /Users/curtis/code/LOCI/bio-formats/components/loci-plugins/src/loci/plugins/util/RecordedImageProcessor.java:[63,7] loci.plugins.util.RecordedImageProcessor is not abstract and does not override abstract method swapPixelArrays() in ij.process.ImageProcessor 20111031T184127: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: [ERROR] /Users/curtis/code/LOCI/bio-formats/components/loci-plugins/src/loci/plugins/util/RecordedImageProcessor.java:[63,7] loci.plugins.util.RecordedImageProcessor is not abstract and does not override abstract method swapPixelArrays() in ij.process.ImageProcessor 20111031T184153: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Because Wayne maintains existing methods (usually), but not SPI-side contracts. That is, he adds to the contract. 20111031T184153: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Because Wayne maintains existing methods (usually), but not SPI-side contracts. That is, he adds to the contract. 20111031T184221: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Duck-typing would avoid that. 20111031T184221: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Duck-typing would avoid that. 20111031T184231: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :But yes, I agree, no such contract. Single-man show. 20111031T184231: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: But yes, I agree, no such contract. Single-man show. 20111031T184349: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I will fix that one later. The RecordedImageProcessor is disabled right now anyway. 20111031T184349: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: I will fix that one later. The RecordedImageProcessor is disabled right now anyway. 20111031T184355: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Update hook installed into fiji.git and ImageJA.git on fiji.sc that requires 'master' to fast-forward always... 20111031T184355: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Update hook installed into fiji.git and ImageJA.git on fiji.sc that requires 'master' to fast-forward always... 20111031T184400: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Sounds good. 20111031T184400: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Sounds good. 20111031T184847: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden, could you ask Wayne to remove that "import com.apple.mrj.*;" line from MacAdapter.source? I already asked him but it is still there in spite of not being needed at all (and breaking compilation on non-Macs). 20111031T184847: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden, could you ask Wayne to remove that "import com.apple.mrj.*;" line from MacAdapter.source? I already asked him but it is still there in spite of not being needed at all (and breaking compilation on non-Macs). 20111031T185114: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Sure. 20111031T185114: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Sure. 20111031T185440: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Thanks. 20111031T185440: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Thanks. 20111031T185601: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden, also, maybe you want to have a look over the latest two commits here: http://fiji.sc/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=bio-formats/.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/for-curtis 20111031T185601: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden, also, maybe you want to have a look over the latest two commits here: http://fiji.sc/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=bio-formats/.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/for-curtis 20111031T185610: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :(And if they look good, merge) 20111031T185610: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: (And if they look good, merge) 20111031T185715: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :If Wayne refuses, another way we can fix is to create a sub jar with com.apple.mrj.PlaceholderClass only in it. 20111031T185715: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: If Wayne refuses, another way we can fix is to create a sub jar with com.apple.mrj.PlaceholderClass only in it. 20111031T185718: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :s/sub/stub/ 20111031T185718: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: s/sub/stub/ 20111031T185739: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I'd rather modify the Jenkins job to strip that line out. It is really utterly obsolete. 20111031T185739: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: I'd rather modify the Jenkins job to strip that line out. It is really utterly obsolete. 20111031T185803: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :(And we'd have to provide more workarounds just for compiling IJ1 on non-Macs) 20111031T185811: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: (And we'd have to provide more workarounds just for compiling IJ1 on non-Macs) 20111031T185811: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :And we're sure old versions of OS X don't need it to compile? 20111031T185811: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: And we're sure old versions of OS X don't need it to compile? 20111031T185824: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Pretty sure. 20111031T185824: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Pretty sure. 20111031T185832: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :(Personally I don't care, just curious if Wayne will use that as a justification for keeping it.) 20111031T185832: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: (Personally I don't care, just curious if Wayne will use that as a justification for keeping it.) 20111031T185836: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :But you're right, my opinion is not valued much everywhere. 20111031T185836: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: But you're right, my opinion is not valued much everywhere. 20111031T185845: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Did I say that? 20111031T185845: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Did I say that? 20111031T185849: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Nope. 20111031T185849: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Nope. 20111031T185906: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :But you thought about workarounds already. 20111031T185906: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: But you thought about workarounds already. 20111031T190508: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Email sent. 20111031T190508: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Email sent. 20111031T190520: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Thank you! 20111031T190520: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Thank you! 20111031T190627: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Thanks for the RecordedImageProcessor patches. Presumably it builds for you? If so, let's merge them to develop in the official repo. 20111031T190627: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Thanks for the RecordedImageProcessor patches. Presumably it builds for you? If so, let's merge them to develop in the official repo. 20111031T190648: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Let's see if I'm too stupid to figure out how to do it easily. 20111031T190648: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Let's see if I'm too stupid to figure out how to do it easily. 20111031T190651: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :It does build for me, inside Fiji, of course. 20111031T190651: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: It does build for me, inside Fiji, of course. 20111031T190656: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :1) Add fiji.sc as another origin... 20111031T190656: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: 1) Add fiji.sc as another origin... 20111031T190703: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :No need to. 20111031T190703: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: No need to. 20111031T190720: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :git pull git://fiji.sc/bio-formats/.git for-curtis 20111031T190720: dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: git pull git://fiji.sc/bio-formats/.git for-curtis 20111031T190805: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Nice. 20111031T190805: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Nice. 20111031T192733: *: <== :aivar!~aivar@dyn-144-92-48-238.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: aivar 20111031T194249: *: <== :aivar!~aivar@dyn-144-92-48-238.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20111031T202103: *: <== :dscho!~dscho@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat 20111031T211702: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving. 20111031T224558: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving.