20120220T033038: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20120220T041959: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving. 20120220T060303: *: <== :joshmoore!~joshmoore@manz-590f03cb.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN #imagejdev 20120220T141959: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20120220T143431: *: <== :mlinkert!~melissa@c-76-118-20-70.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN #imagejdev 20120220T173043: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20120220T173950: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20120220T174135: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: at some point I'd like to determine which tools need to be in beta 1 and which can go later 20120220T174135: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: at some point I'd like to determine which tools need to be in beta 1 and which can go later 20120220T174146: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Oh yes. 20120220T174146: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Oh yes. 20120220T174148: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: Wanna look over the tickets and send your list of recommendations? 20120220T174148: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: Wanna look over the tickets and send your list of recommendations? 20120220T174158: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :One comment: I saw you added also the "macro tools"... 20120220T174158: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: One comment: I saw you added also the "macro tools"... 20120220T174204: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I would not do that ;-) 20120220T174204: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: I would not do that ;-) 20120220T174210: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden: at some point soon I'd like to discuss how to approach roi manager and overlay harmonizer issues 20120220T174210: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden: at some point soon I'd like to discuss how to approach roi manager and overlay harmonizer issues 20120220T174242: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: okay. I just hatched a ticket for every tool IJ1 has that we do not. 20120220T174242: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: okay. I just hatched a ticket for every tool IJ1 has that we do not. 20120220T174247: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Did you try Adam's ROI manager? Why not just improve that? 20120220T174247: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Did you try Adam's ROI manager? Why not just improve that? 20120220T174319: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :As for overlay harmonization... it would take me some time to learn how it works in the legacy layer. As a side note, I am concerned, in general, about the legacy layer's speed now that it waits for thread to complete. 20120220T174319: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: As for overlay harmonization... it would take me some time to learn how it works in the legacy layer. As a side note, I am concerned, in general, about the legacy layer's speed now that it waits for thread to complete. 20120220T174324: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I'm look at the Overlay Manager at the moment. It does very little and is broken. Unless I'm looking at the wrong thing' 20120220T174324: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: I'm look at the Overlay Manager at the moment. It does very little and is broken. Unless I'm looking at the wrong thing' 20120220T174346: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Re: thread speed I helped that a little last week 20120220T174346: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: Re: thread speed I helped that a little last week 20120220T174431: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: If you ask me, these are the must-have tools for beta1: rectangle (because people expect it, not because it is useful in any way ;-), oval (maybe ellipse, and *just* maybe brush), polygon and freehand. 20120220T174431: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: If you ask me, these are the must-have tools for beta1: rectangle (because people expect it, not because it is useful in any way ;-), oval (maybe ellipse, and *just* maybe brush), polygon and freehand. 20120220T174501: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden: if we do our own Roi manager, that is fine. Just need to know preferred direction. The existing ROI manager has a fair amount of code to repalce 20120220T174501: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden: if we do our own Roi manager, that is fine. Just need to know preferred direction. The existing ROI manager has a fair amount of code to repalce 20120220T174628: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: the LOI tools (line, polyline, freeline -- what on earth does the arrow tool which is not a line tool do under the line icon?) as well as the angle tool and the point tool, let alone the text tool or the zoom tool or the pipette or the magic wand are less relevant. 20120220T174628: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: the LOI tools (line, polyline, freeline -- what on earth does the arrow tool which is not a line tool do under the line icon?) as well as the angle tool and the point tool, let alone the text tool or the zoom tool or the pipette or the magic wand are less relevant. 20120220T174635: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dwscho: we have rect and oval (not ellipse). Also have brush (and pencil) tools. Polygon is unfinished and freehand has not been started 20120220T174635: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dwscho: we have rect and oval (not ellipse). Also have brush (and pencil) tools. Polygon is unfinished and freehand has not been started 20120220T174705: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: except for the LOI tools, they are more like toys anyway, probably included because one could, not because they would be super-useful in a non-Paint program. 20120220T174705: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: except for the LOI tools, they are more like toys anyway, probably included because one could, not because they would be super-useful in a non-Paint program. 20120220T174725: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :LOI? 20120220T174725: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: LOI? 20120220T174738: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Lines of interest? 20120220T174738: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: Lines of interest? 20120220T174753: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: exactly, LOI = line of interest 20120220T174753: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: exactly, LOI = line of interest 20120220T174824: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Lots of ImageJ1 users use the line tool though, with the width set so that it is actually a rectangle. 20120220T174824: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Lots of ImageJ1 users use the line tool though, with the width set so that it is actually a rectangle. 20120220T174837: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :It is a particularly defective decision to make them "ROIs". Just think about composite line selections. Have you ever tried to make them? Neither have I, they simply do not work. 20120220T174837: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: It is a particularly defective decision to make them "ROIs". Just think about composite line selections. Have you ever tried to make them? Neither have I, they simply do not work. 20120220T174855: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden: I saw more people using LOIs for profile plots. 20120220T174855: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden: I saw more people using LOIs for profile plots. 20120220T174933: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :OK. 20120220T174933: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: OK. 20120220T174937: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: re polygon & freehand: good, then. Polygon is more important than freehand (freehand is internally a stepped polygon anyway, non-editable via handles, which might get tricky with JHotDraw) 20120220T174937: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: re polygon & freehand: good, then. Polygon is more important than freehand (freehand is internally a stepped polygon anyway, non-editable via handles, which might get tricky with JHotDraw) 20120220T175028: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden: so: LOIs would open that can of worms (I really hate the fact that profile plots in IJ1 are pixeled, possibly downsized images) 20120220T175028: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden: so: LOIs would open that can of worms (I really hate the fact that profile plots in IJ1 are pixeled, possibly downsized images) 20120220T175104: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: probably not tricky. in jhotdraw if you don't create handles then you can't edit it. 20120220T175104: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: probably not tricky. in jhotdraw if you don't create handles then you can't edit it. 20120220T175240: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: heh. But IJ1 allows _moving_ it ;-) 20120220T175240: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: heh. But IJ1 allows _moving_ it ;-) 20120220T175257: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: which we can do pretty easily. 20120220T175257: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: which we can do pretty easily. 20120220T175302: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I know a bit about it 20120220T175302: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: I know a bit about it 20120220T175516: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctruedun: overlay harmonizer issues had to do with whether we always create new ROIs from displays (like now) or if we maintain a mapping between Overlay<->Roi and update as needed. If we write our own OverlayManager we don't need to do the former. Otherwise Its likely we do. 20120220T175516: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctruedun: overlay harmonizer issues had to do with whether we always create new ROIs from displays (like now) or if we maintain a mapping between Overlay<->Roi and update as needed. If we write our own OverlayManager we don't need to do the former. Otherwise Its likely we do. 20120220T175550: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :former == LATTER. oops 20120220T175550: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: former == LATTER. oops 20120220T175640: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: does your IRC client not auto-complete IRC nicknames when pressing the key? 20120220T175640: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: does your IRC client not auto-complete IRC nicknames when pressing the key? 20120220T175654: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :I've never tried :) 20120220T175654: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: I've never tried :) 20120220T175711: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: yes it does! 20120220T175711: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: yes it does! 20120220T175715: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :yw 20120220T175715: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: yw 20120220T175740: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :waht, you didn't like being called dwsco? 20120220T175740: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: waht, you didn't like being called dwsco? 20120220T175749: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :LOL 20120220T175749: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: LOL 20120220T180229: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: ah, brush != paintbrush. so that is not done. 20120220T180229: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: ah, brush != paintbrush. so that is not done. 20120220T180305: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Yeah, brush started out as this macro hack. It basically paints a ROI instead of a color. 20120220T180305: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Yeah, brush started out as this macro hack. It basically paints a ROI instead of a color. 20120220T180338: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :But instead of making the tools framework in IJ1 more flexible and eating one's own dog food, the brush was simply reimplemented as hackishly as the ellipse tool ;-) 20120220T180338: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: But instead of making the tools framework in IJ1 more flexible and eating one's own dog food, the brush was simply reimplemented as hackishly as the ellipse tool ;-) 20120220T180400: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: of your list, no need for text? 20120220T180400: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: of your list, no need for text? 20120220T180407: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :No. 20120220T180407: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: No. 20120220T180450: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Yes, people will hate me when they want to engrave labels into their images, but we're supposed to concentrate on important stuff. 20120220T180450: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Yes, people will hate me when they want to engrave labels into their images, but we're supposed to concentrate on important stuff. 20120220T180600: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden: you've been working on this project a long time now. Trac noted those blockers you added were inserted 42 years ago. 20120220T180600: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden: you've been working on this project a long time now. Trac noted those blockers you added were inserted 42 years ago. 20120220T181436: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :dscho: re: "I saw you added macro tools" I can't figure out what ticket you were referring to. Do you mean the abort macro tool? Or something else? 20120220T181436: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: dscho: re: "I saw you added macro tools" I can't figure out what ticket you were referring to. Do you mean the abort macro tool? Or something else? 20120220T181928: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: developer menu, paintbrush tool... 20120220T181928: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: developer menu, paintbrush tool... 20120220T181937: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Basically, everything right from the abort "tool" 20120220T181937: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: Basically, everything right from the abort "tool" 20120220T182136: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :oh, I see. well pencil, paintbrush, and floodfill are done already (not as macros). But abort, dev menu, and stack menu are unimplemented. kill the tickets? 20120220T182136: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: oh, I see. well pencil, paintbrush, and floodfill are done already (not as macros). But abort, dev menu, and stack menu are unimplemented. kill the tickets? 20120220T182221: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :No, push 'em. 20120220T182221: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: No, push 'em. 20120220T182357: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :okay, done 20120220T182357: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: okay, done 20120220T182413: *: <== :dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ta 20120220T182413: dscho!~gene099@dyn-144-92-48-243.microscopy.wisc.edu: ta 20120220T184944: *: <== :joshmoore!~joshmoore@manz-590f03cb.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #imagejdev :btw, 42 years is the difference between millis and micros in trac world. update set x = x/1000 would help. *shrugs* 20120220T184944: joshmoore!~joshmoore@manz-590f03cb.pool.mediaWays.net: btw, 42 years is the difference between millis and micros in trac world. update set x = x/1000 would help. *shrugs* 20120220T201859: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :bdezonia: Where did you see that 42 years figure? 20120220T201859: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: bdezonia: Where did you see that 42 years figure? 20120220T202648: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :ctrueden: the individual tool tickets (e.g. #940) 20120220T202648: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: ctrueden: the individual tool tickets (e.g. #940) 20120220T202801: *: <== :bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :joshmoore: 42 years is how long its been since the unix epoch too 20120220T202801: bdezonia!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-220.microscopy.wisc.edu: joshmoore: 42 years is how long its been since the unix epoch too 20120220T202843: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu PRIVMSG #imagejdev :Seems like a bug in trac. The timeline is reporting the right time, as is the other ticket. It's probably a bug in the blocking/blocker plugin. 20120220T202843: ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu: Seems like a bug in trac. The timeline is reporting the right time, as is the other ticket. It's probably a bug in the blocking/blocker plugin. 20120220T205213: *: <== :joshmoore!~joshmoore@manz-590f03cb.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. 20120220T211036: *: <== :mhiner!~Adium@dyn-144-92-48-204.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving. 20120220T215414: *: <== :aivar!~aivar@dyn-144-92-48-238.microscopy.wisc.edu JOIN #imagejdev 20120220T220638: *: <== :ctrueden!~ctrueden@dyn-144-92-48-222.microscopy.wisc.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving.